I am suspicious by nature, wanting to understand. I get it that Perma-culture is mean to be a better type of agriculture in that is is supposed to be permanent, sustainable. That it includes not just agriculture but the lifestyle of the workers. Yet it all seems to organised, too controlling; there's even a book on basic principles, like a bible - enough said.

The first major conflict I had was with a friend Ian, who debated the sustainability of vegan agriculture; especially so if it not be organic. What I did like about Ian was his desire to do things himself, but now that meant killing a pig for a house-mate, to show he could and it fitted the permaculture plan of using animals in close proximity.

The second run in, some 20 years later was with new neighbours. I first met him, where he donned the permaculture garb, I said little. But some days letter I mete him and her, far more attractive so I engaged.

" Your bloke said you are into Permaculture " 'OH! Yes, have you heard of it?'
"Isn't that where you try to get the most out of the environment for as little work as possible" Hmm! Sort of!
" Sounds like every capitalist dream; be more sustainable to take as little out off the environment as but as much in as possible"

Then I abruptly walked away. Within a few metres I was chastising myself, 'what a way to flirt with a new female on the block, what a way to insult neighbours. So once back at the caravan I grabbed an organic bottle of port and returned to make amends. However she was gone so I made my apologies to he and left the port.

A year or so on and I have cause to visit them.